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I Met Carville and Matalin Last Night

Fri Nov 04, 2005 at 07:40:58 AM PDT

I had the pleasure to spend time with James Carville and Mary Matalin last night at a benefit for the Red Cross here in Cincinnati and I thought I would pass along my impressions of the night to everyone here.

The night had three components:  A VIP reception, speeches by each of them to the general audience, and a cocktail hour at a local bar following the speech.

A friend of mine called me earlier in the week and offered me a VIP ticket to all of these events.  I couldn't pass an offer like that up and quickly accepted.  Who wouldn't want to meet these people in person?  This is what I discovered:

James Carville is absolutely hilarious.  One of the funniest people I have ever met.  I always found him funny on television, but he was even better in person interacting with people one on one.  I spent about half an hour taking with him during the reception and he was very easygoing and quick to crack a joke with everyone there.  He also loves his new found fame as a "movie star" since his appearance in Old School.  He was telling us how much he likes doing movies and told us about the new film he is producing, a remake of "All the King's Men". The cast and director that Carville was able to put together is amazing.  I'm really looking forward to this when it comes out next year.

We also discussed some of the recent political events, including the indictment of Libby.  His thoughts on the matter were that he couldn't understand why these officials could get so wrapped up in events that they felt they had to lie to investigators.  Eventually it all comes out and they get hit with it worse than if they had come clean to begin with.  He did say that he felt they were now in hot water though and that 2006 was going to be a great year for the Democrats.

I met Mary Matalin breifly during the reception, but didn't talk to her much at all.  She seemed much warmer and friendlier in that setting than she did later on during her public speech.

Speaking of that speech, Matalin spoke first and her speech focused on a mix of good natured ribbing of her husband (which he played into throughout the night) and a defense of "Conservatism" (which she distinguished from "Republican").  She warned against the usefulness of polling in most circumstances, stating that driving Bush's poll numbers down wasn't going to be enough for Democrats to win unless they offered up something of their own for people to vote for.  Asking people to vote against something rarely works unless you can offer them something else to vote for.  She chronicled the rise of conservative politics and argued that recent events weren't as damaging to the party as they might seem.  I didn't buy the argument, but I thought she at least was able to put forth an intelligent disucssion of the matter.

Carville's speech was far less focused on the partisan divide and allowed him to win over a good portion of the audience in a very red portion of the country.  His main issue was engagement and he warned that we need to remain enganged at every level because what politicians do matters greatly in everyday life.  He said complaining about things you dislike was worthless unless you find a candidate you support and take action on his behalf.  He was worried that the American public generally was becoming disengaged with politics and needed to rejoin the debate.

Carville ended his speech with a story I found very inspirational.  He said that to truly judge a naton's greatness, you need to look at its actions during its lowest point.  Carville pointed to 1862 as the lowest point in American history.  It was at this point, while the Union was suffering defeat after defeat on the battlefield, Rep. Morrill of VT pushed a bill through setting aside land grants for states to establish universities.  Carville pointed out that these land grant universities produced more Nobel prize winners than all of the European universities combined.  His point was that even during our darkest times, we need to remain focused on our ideals and take care of our future.

All in all, I was very impressed by both speakers and throughly enjoyed my discussion with Carville.

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  •  Let me know what you think... (4.00 / 16)

    Thanks!

    Matt

    In the unlikely story that is America, there has never been anything false about hope.

    by Cixelsyd on Fri Nov 04, 2005 at 07:41:50 AM PDT

  •  Check out Huffington Post today (none / 1)

    Arianna beseeches Carville to recuse himself from making comments about Plamegate on national television because Matlin was (is) a member of the White House Iraq Group and was involved, in some way, with the Cheney disinformation campaign. That being said, I would have loved to have met the couple myself.
    •  How can he be married to that woman... (none / 1)

      She is a NeoCom, wrapped up in Plamegate, supports war and death and upholds every GOP lie. I can't buy that "we keep politics outside of our marriage" thing - what about having a partner and a mother to your children who has some ethics and does not hate our troops and most of America.
      •  agree 100% (none / 0)

        I just read arianna's piece, and I have to agree with the sentiments both she and you expressed:  Carville has zero credibility on any issue because he is too close to the enemy.  He is fast becoming, if he hasn't already, a liability to our side precisely because of who his wife is.  That may sound crass or unfair, but fuck that.  And what has he done for the Democratic Party besides give bad advice?  Nada.  

        I recommend reading Arianna's piece.  

        When do we take up arms?

        by Billy Shears on Fri Nov 04, 2005 at 07:58:26 AM PDT

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        •  Arianna (none / 1)

          Arianna is wrong. Carville is right.

          Carville is saying the buck stops with Bush. Not Cheney, Rove, Libby..........Ultimately it is Bush's fault.

          The GOP is setting the stage so that Bush can say "I was out of the the loop". This is what Poppy did. Carville is saying we are not going to accept this.

          •  But (none / 0)

            in order to stop the buck with Bush, you will have to stop the buck with Cheney, Rove and Libby and Rumsfeld first. Sorry, but Arianna has finally expressed what I had felt for some time.

            Seems to me that Carville is pussyfooting around the issues and is running away into the world of movie making. May be that's good, because I don't think he can't be taken serious as a political commentator anymore. It's impossible for him to not have conflicts of personal and political loyalty and interests.

            I don't like anymore what this couple is doing.

            Reading the article I was wondering about the motives of the author.  

            Both seemed to be funny and they used their stunts cleverly in the past during Clinton's time, but today those times are long, long over, dead and bygone for good.

            I don't trust both of them anymore. I am not willing to take Mary Matalin's comments lightly and I don't think Carville is funny. Even if I feel that both of them are "Menschen" with a big heart, I think they both played with fire politically, sold their souls and I do see both getting burned quite a bit. Well, I guess both might be better off to be behind the cameras and not before them. So, time out for the Donnie and Marie of politics.

      •  In one of his books (none / 1)

        I can't remember which, but he says that he has no problem marrying someone with another ideology for the same reason he would have no problem marrying someone of another religion.
      •  Well... (none / 1)

        James said that he and Mary focus on bringing up their children to be engaged in the process, rather than trying to shape them into one party mold or another.  It all went bakc ot his point on getting people to engage in politics as one of the most important parts of their lives.  I thought it sounded like a good strategy.

        Matt

        In the unlikely story that is America, there has never been anything false about hope.

        by Cixelsyd on Fri Nov 04, 2005 at 08:05:14 AM PDT

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        •  Not buying it.. (4.00 / 2)

          They can be engaged in the process all they want..but mommy was intimately involved with a group   that outed a CIA agent out of political revenge, putting our whole country in jeopardy from WMD's. She is closely allied with Cheney's office.

          It's kind of like saying, gee, I want my kid to have a good sense of finances, so daddy's taking you along on the bank heists..

        •  It'll be interesting to see how his (none / 0)

          children turn out politically.

          By the way, I ate at a restaurant in DC once and Carville was at the next table.  He was sitting with about four younger men and they all seemed to be enjoying his conversation.

          The Republicans have a fundamental problem with telling the truth - Howard Dean.

          by NYC Sophia on Fri Nov 04, 2005 at 08:17:22 AM PDT

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          •  He made a joke about that... (4.00 / 2)

            He told a story about how his daughter was acting up in a restaraunt and Matalin asked her to stop.  The daughter responded with "I'll be good for a dollar".  Carville indicated that he thought his daughter might be a Republican based on this.

            The punchline to the joke was Matalin's response:  "Why can't you be good for nothing like your Daddy?"

            Matt

            In the unlikely story that is America, there has never been anything false about hope.

            by Cixelsyd on Fri Nov 04, 2005 at 08:21:01 AM PDT

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    •  Hmm... (none / 1)

      I don't agree with Arianna fully.  I think Carville has some insights to give.  Tying the PResident into the scandal is a good move I think.  The VP isn't going any lower in the polls... why not go straight for Bush?

      I also think that, while Arrianna has a point that we need to hammer them on Iraq as often as possible, we can't ignore healthe care, etc.

      James touched on this in his speech last night as well.  He made the point that many of us on here have been making:  Democrats have "family values" too.  We can talk about the bible as well.  Carville said the Bible's main message was "Love Thy Neighbor" and that Democrats needed to talk about their programs as fitting in with those values.

      Matt

      In the unlikely story that is America, there has never been anything false about hope.

      by Cixelsyd on Fri Nov 04, 2005 at 08:00:24 AM PDT

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  •  Sounds like you had a good time (4.00 / 5)

    Good for you.
    I'll note that the conservative was defensive while the liberal was optimistic.

    "I don't belong to an organized political party. I'm a democrat."--Will Rogers

    by soonergrunt on Fri Nov 04, 2005 at 07:50:20 AM PDT

  •  Carville knows Libby well (none / 1)

    A friend of mine in DC is friendly with this social circle. Carville and Libby share many thing, especially that they are both in mixed-marriages (Rep & Dem) and that two of the spouses, until Libby's resignation, worked together in the WH.

    The over-riding impression of my DC friend is that Libby will likely find it hard to take the fall for Cheney if a long jail sentence is looming.

    Since Libby is free on bail and can carry on with his life somewhat normally, I suppose he will stall for as long as possible his decision to plea-bargain Dick down the river, but I have to think that those days have a number.

    "The best way to determine what a person wants is by surveying what he gets." -Erle Stanley Gardner

    by KOTCrum on Fri Nov 04, 2005 at 07:58:39 AM PDT

  •  Just saw War Room (none / 1)

    I just saw the documentary War Room which focuses on George Stephanopoulos and James Carville during the '92 Presidential campaign.  I love James Carville.  Watching him give a speech to the War Room at the end was extremely moving.  I went right out and got all of his books from the library.  If only we'd had the Ragin' Cajun instead of Mary Beth I'm not sure if we really want to take a strong stand on anything Cahill.  We desperately need Carville for 2008!

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    •  contrast carville's speech... (none / 1)

      with the abramoff-scanlon memo.

      carville talks about the marvelous ability of this country's system to include him, who grew up poor and insignificant and never even saw a big city until his 30s, and how the little man CAN make a difference. he talks about how it is to grow up poor and fight for a subsistence existence, and why participating in government is so important to the quality of poor people's lives.

      abramoff's flunky scanlon contemptuously refers to the evangelical base as "wackos" and gloats about being able to manipulate them into voting for anything.

      Hillary 2008 - Flying Monkey Squadron 283

      by campskunk on Fri Nov 04, 2005 at 08:13:08 AM PDT

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  •  I Like The Separation Of Conservative From Repub (none / 0)

    Divide and conquer. Both need to go, but true enough they are a poor match.
    •  indeed... (none / 1)

      If even Republicans are beginning to abandon "Republican", then I like where we are headed.

      Perhaps we'll be able to frame "Republican" in the same way they branded "Liberal" not too long ago.

      Matt

      In the unlikely story that is America, there has never been anything false about hope.

      by Cixelsyd on Fri Nov 04, 2005 at 08:22:30 AM PDT

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  •  Carville's a whore, married to a whore (4.00 / 2)

    While I think Carville is an outstanding analyst, I also think he is an example of what is so very, very wrong with politics today.  In order for him to be married to Matalin, they both must think of politics as some great big freaking game and the only stakes whether you win or lose.  Maybe it's the lack of principles that makes him such an effective player -- it's easier to play when you have nothing to lose.  Because of people like him, the press spends more time reporting on the game than on what's actually going on, and the rules keep getting defined downward to keep it interesting. Like Rollerball.  Complete bullshit.    
    •  I also find it difficult to believe (none / 0)

      that Carville could share a bed with Maitlin night after night and yet be totally ignorant of all of the illegalities that go on in the White House and it makes me very suspicious of him that he hasn't come out and talked about what he knows.

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      by Arken on Fri Nov 04, 2005 at 08:43:13 AM PDT

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  •  Not true (none / 1)

    "Asking people to vote against something rarely works unless you can offer them something else to vote for."

    This is simply not true. For decades now the GOP strategy has been to get voters to vote against something. Southern Strategy, Willy Horton, Swift Boat Liars, Gays.........it is all about getting the public enraged so that they will vote against something. Offering the public a positive agenda is not enough to win elections. You have to get them enraged and turn against a party or politician. The GOP has been very good at this game.

    Talk radio, talk TV is all about getting people enraged and asking them to vote against something. Rush, O'Reilly, Hannity......these people are not offering a positive agenda. They are offering rage.

  •  who was the senator? (none / 0)

    while the Union was suffering defeat after defeat on the battlefield, one Senator push a bill through setting aside land grants for state to establish univerisities.  Carville pointed out that these land grant universities produced more Nobel prize winners than all of the European univeristies combined.

    That is one fascinating tidbit with profound implications. Who was the senator?

    My teeth aren't white enough for DailyKos, so adios.

    by DrReason on Fri Nov 04, 2005 at 08:40:34 AM PDT

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